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« on: November 30, 2008, 05:53:41 pm »
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This is real democracy at work. The Swiss are one nation that has referendums on big issues like, what are we to do with our heroin addicts? Nearly 70% of them voted to give heroin users their heroin on prescription.

Some argue, why just them? What about drunks?....do we start giving them free alcohol? Well, in countries where drugs are subsidized, they already feed their alcoholics sedatives as a replacement for alcoholic drinks.

This isn't a new idea. This idea has been around a long time. I am glad that this country has taken on the task of doing something active to keep under control their heroin users and thus cut their crime rates.

Could a similar scheme work in your country? If not, why not?






http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/01/2433794.htm?section=justin

Swiss vote for heroin prescriptions

Posted 1 hour 3 minutes ago

Swiss voters have strongly backed a proposal for heroin to be prescribed to registered addicts.

The result of a referendum shows 68 per cent of people are in favour of the move.

Officials say drug-related crime and deaths have dropped since pilot schemes were introduced a decade ago.

Doctors say prescriptions help control intake and the daily contact means addicts can be treated for other ailments.

But opponents of the proposal say prescription heroin will send the wrong message to young people and harm the addicts themselves.

The scheme allows addicts to inject the drug under medical supervision at a clinic.

Supporters say it will get long-term addicts out of Switzerland's so called "needle parks" and reduce drug-related crime.

Switzerland is the first country to include a plan to prescribe heroin to addicts in government policy.
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2008, 11:57:18 am »
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I've had some experience with junkies.
 
The real victims of them are their families....after they've stolen all the families money and hocked their possessions, to buy fixes, they turn to the neighbours and rob them...or end up in prostitution.
 
Personally, I would like to see them forced into rehab for a least 1 yr to dry out....not just a month....in my society, they can go to rehad type places but no one forces them to finish courses so junkies end up leaving before they go fully through withdrawal.
 
Methadone [spelling] is more addictive and they cannot get off it so when their methadone programs finish, they're right back into smack again.
 
I think the easiest solution for them and everyone else is just give it to them.
 
Incidentally, a few years back in my city, some pure heroin got on the streets [some claim it was the cops that put it out there] and 75 junkies died that year....they overdosed.....the crime rate dropped dramatically.
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2008, 10:33:10 am »
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80% of the world's heroin comes from Afghanistan
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2008, 07:21:46 pm »
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80% of the world's heroin comes from Afghanistan

It does. Straight through China.
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2008, 11:24:37 am »
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I've never been addicted to anything but caffeine and computers!  Smiley

I know there are some good people who have gotten addicted for reasons
that were somehow beyond their control, after an operation, or after having
been prescribed medication for severe pain and getting hooked on it.

But good people don't hang out in needle parks and shoot up, in my opinion,
but then I have known a few people like that who were addicted and managed
to get off it and go straight.

So I don't agree with killing all the heroin addicts.  It makes sense to find them
and help them if possible, not kill them.  But such a plan is probaby hopelessly
naive and doomed to failure.  Addicts will do anything to get their next fix,
steal, even kill, at least the more desperate ones.

Thank God I'm not in that situation and don't know anyone who is currently in
that situation.

Perhaps we should bomb Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.

No, wait, I think we already did that.  They are still stoning women to death,
while the drug trafficking goes on unabated.  So easy a cave man could do it!
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2008, 07:55:55 pm »
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Heroin is the greatest pain killer known to man.

Like all great things, they're abused by dumb people.

We had a great interview with a former heroin addict, deceased artist Bret Whiteley's wife "Wendy Whiteley" on Denton's "Enough Rope" on our ABC...read the transcripts if you can be bothered

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s2440752.htm

This is where the interview turned onto the heroin subject.

ANDREW DENTON: It was when Arkie was still a child that you started taking heroin. Do you remember the first time you took it?



WENDY WHITELEY: Yes I do, and it wasnít until Australia, and it was readily available after Vietnam.



ANDREW DENTON: And what was the effect?



WENDY WHITELEY: The first time I used it?



ANDREW DENTON: Mmm.



WENDY WHITELEY: Amazing. You know it was euphoric. Itís stupid to deny that. If it suits you physically itís an incredible drug. It is what it is. Itís the greatest painkiller on earth. Unfortunately what you donít realise is that it also destroys the pleasure but you don't think that. The pleasure of discovery is very different to addiction.



ANDREW DENTON: Can you describe addiction? What it what it is once youíre deep in the grip.



WENDY WHITELEY:
Addiction? Oh itís horrendous. Youíre a slave. But youíre not capable of actually being able to find your way out of it. Itís appalling.



ANDREW DENTON: Do you know youíre a slave?



WENDY WHITELEY: Not when youíre trying to justify it, no.



ANDREW DENTON: You were you were both taking it?



WENDY WHITELEY: Yeah.


ANDREW DENTON: But is it like two separate journeys with the same experience?



WENDY WHITELEY: Well one of the things about a drug like heroin is that it does isolate you. Youíre in your own world. I mean we didnít sleep properly, we didnít do anything properly. I was known to get even more obsessive and Iím already an obsessive and so is Brett so you know but the mechanics of it are horrendous. One, itís illegal. Two, itís very expensive. Three, youíve got to spend time with the most ghastly people that you wouldnít spend time with normally and you have to kowtow to them because they can play really heavy games with you and you risk being, you know dying in order to get just what in the end just becomes functional without getting sick.






They won't get rid of the opium poppy. it is too important a plant and needed as a painkiller.

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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2008, 08:20:58 pm »
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Ooo, I just remembered a point, many heroin addicts are ďmadeĒ.

I know two personally that were ďmade.Ē

This is how they are made into heroin addicts. Dealers go to parks and find kids around the ages of 14, 15 and too young to know any better. They give them a tiny bit of the drug for 14 days, after the 14 days are up, they stop giving it to them but the kid has become addicted and then starts to do things for their next fix, like steal or prostitute themselves..

One girl told me she was being given drugs everyday. Rachael was only 15 at the time and I believed her and KNEW what was happening so I told her motherÖ.and you know what the **** of a mother said to me at the time? She told me Rachael was lying for attentionÖbut you know what, she wasnít lying to me.

I always regret NOT pursuing that line and making Rachaelís mother listen harder to me but what I could do when a parent refuses to listen to me? Not a lot.
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2008, 10:04:26 am »
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Perhaps we should bomb Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.

that's what joe scarborough(msnbc's 'morning joe') said in jest last week
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2008, 10:34:14 am »
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Perhaps we should bomb Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.

that's what joe scarborough(msnbc's 'morning joe') said in jest last week

I don't think anyone disputes the fact they ever left the stoneage.

Are you all saying that Afghani's left that era? WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?

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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2008, 08:48:48 am »
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~correction~

he didn't mean the whole country(Afghanistan)-just the poppy fields, lol.  they are quite visible from air in strips & "perfect" targets Grin
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2008, 09:21:20 am »
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~correction~

he didn't mean the whole country(Afghanistan)-just the poppy fields, lol.  they are quite visible from air in strips & "perfect" targets Grin

hahahah, and the first year after the USA and her allies bombed the **** out of the place, there was a bumper crop of poppies....

we saw it all on our 60 Minutes program.
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