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« on: September 02, 2009, 09:47:05 am »
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/02/2674899.htm?section=australia

'Wonder from down under' economy defies gloom

By Eonomics correspondent Stephen Long for PM

Economists are calling Australia the "wonder from down under" as the country enters its 19th year without a technical recession.

The latest GDP estimates say the Australian economy expanded by 0.6 per cent in the second quarter of the year - a growth which continues to defy expectations and gravity.

The surprise economic expansion, in a time when risks remain on the world stage and when stock markets still have the jitters, has economists lumping praise on the Government.

The eternal optimist CommSec's Craig James is feeling vindicated.

"Australia certainly can claim to be the wonder from down under," he said.

"Over the past eight years, there's only been one quarter, one three-month period, where the economy has gone backwards.

"Our record economic expansion has just completed 18 years. We've now moved into our 19th year.

"When you consider that we've just gone through the global financial crisis, this is a remarkable performance."

Government stimulus appears to have played a big role in maintaining growth, with Treasurer Wayne Swan today claiming credit for the figures, and rightly so, economists say.

"I think that the Government can rightly claim credit for the fact that the economy is continuing to grow," Mr James said.

The Royal Bank of Canada's Sue-Lin Ong agrees.

"I thought it was a pretty impressive set of GDP numbers today," she said.

"Growth coming in at 0.6 per cent, helped obviously by the fiscal stimulus from the Government, boosting private consumption and business investment."

AMP Capital economist Bob Cunneen was equally impressed.

"Australia's recorded a solid result but it largely reflects the benefit of the fiscal monetary stimulus," he said.

Household spending, aided by the cash handouts and rate cuts, added to growth. So did businesses spending money on plant and machinery, with the incentive of big tax breaks.

But for government expenditure, Treasury says the economy would have gone backwards in the three months to July and gone backwards by 1.3 per cent over the prior 12 months.

The Opposition says the economy's growth has been built on the solid foundations it left, but even it is willing to concede the Government has made a stimulating contribution.


Hockey criticism

Opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey says the growth is fantastic news.

"Of course if you throw enough money at a problem, some of it will stick and it's good," he said.

"It's good for Australia; It's fantastic for Australia that we are showing good economic growth today.

"We welcome the news, but now Mr Rudd has to pull back on the spending."

And Mr Hockey told the ABC1's Lateline program, the figures show the Government has spent too much.

"We've now got seven years of deficits for what appears to be five minutes of economic downturn with one negative quarter," he said.

"And that's a massive price to pay for a new school hall."

Mr Swan is also conceding the time has come to start scaling back.

Having kept us stimulated for a year, he is now pledging a gradual withdrawal of the fiscal ****.

But whether the economy can keep expanding without support is another question.

"I'd caution against this immediate withdrawal of stimulus in the start of next year. What we're seeing globally is a very severe downturn," Mr Cunneen said.

"The difficulty for Australian economy may face in the next three to six months is that that stimulus will start to fade, so there is still a risk that we may actually have just brought forward some of the spending and the economy is still going through a very weak patch and we could even record a negative quarterly result, so it's not smooth sailing from here."

But economist Sue-Lin Ong says Mr Swan's timing is right.

"It is
for a number of reasons. I think the fact that he's doing it suggests that the economy is proving more resilient than they thought. Probably an economy that doesn't quite need the amount of fiscal stimulus that was planned over the next 12 months," she said.

"In addition, we think that there is a change occurring in the RBA's rate cycle, that the next move is clearly upwards and the risk is that it happens sooner rather than later with the first hike possibly before Christmas.

"I think it would be very helpful for the Reserve Bank for fiscal policy to be moving in the same direction as monetary policy, so not quite so lax on the fiscal side.

"A bit of a tightening up, maybe flagging a tight budget next May. I think it would be very helpful for both policy leavers to be moving in the same direction in 2010."

She says to argue there has been too much stimulus is possibly an unfair comment.

"When this stimulus was designed it was at the time where the global recession was extremely deep and well synchronised and the fallout effects were potentially quite substantial for Australia," she said.

"Clearly the Government, as well as the Reserve Bank, moved very quickly on the policy fronts and I think that it was at that juncture more than warranted, given the fairly bleak outlook for global growth and the potential impact on Australia."

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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 09:50:42 am »
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I'd still rather live in the USA.

The leaders might not always be that great but the people are great for the most part. And if it wasn't for America alot of countries wouldn't be around.

USSR would have taken over alot of Europe, Germany might own alot of Europe, and Japan might have taken over Australia Grin
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2009, 09:56:57 am »
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Ermmm, the yanks came in at the last minute....

The Aussie were helping out the Europeans too....the Aussies were the first to put their hands up to help England...

And don't forget, the Americans HELPED the Russians with Germany.....
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2009, 10:17:14 am »
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Actually the russian were with Germany and signed a deal and then Hitler double crossed JS,
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2009, 10:24:34 am »
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Not the in the first World war....

Bottom line is, America didn't come into the war until the end....
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2009, 10:29:49 am »
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Actually cathy America was supplying England as early as 1939, and was moving towards war at that point. People were weary of spending the money involved because of the great depression ending just a few years earlier.

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2009, 10:35:29 am »
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Selling weapons and facing the bullets are two different things...

The Americans were considered gutless....

And every country was in a depression, not just America.
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2009, 10:40:00 am »
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you know what the Japanese soldiers were doing to POW's?

They used to fill their stomach with hoses and water til bursting point and then jump on their stomaches and kill the POWs..

The best thing the Americans did was drop two atom bombs on them. It proves that dropping atom bombs on the situation stops wars 100% of the time...lol

You know, all these old blokes who saw active service should talk about it before they all die off...None of that generation has 1 little bit of sympathy for the Japanese AT ALL...
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If not for Americans joining the war Japan may have won, and Germany may have taken over England and kept the other countries they captured, as well as England would have fallen if not for supplies we sent during the war
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2009, 11:58:53 am »
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Funny how every other source says Oz is in a recession.
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If not for Americans joining the war Japan may have won, and Germany may have taken over England and kept the other countries they captured, as well as England would have fallen if not for supplies we sent during the war

that is true...
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